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  aa won't keep you from going to hell nor is it a ticket to heaven but it will
  keep you sober enough for you to make up your mind

=====GOD, MAN, AND A.A.=====

A.A. claims that it is not religious but spiritual. Peruse the slogans
about God, prayer, and faith, and the person will uncover how religious
A.A. really is. Spirituality is synonymous with religion. A.A. splits
the two in a false dichotomy to entice people into the organization.
However once in, the person is confronted with A.A.'s own religious
doctrine.

Many AA slogans impart Christian European Medieval beliefs of the
"Great Chain of Being" and of Fallen Man. In the Fallen Man belief, Man
fell from grace when Adam disobeyed God and was expelled from the
Garden of Eden. This is referred to as the Fall of Man. Since then Man
had degenerated from perfection and fell further. The only way that Man
can regain perfection is through the working out of God's plan of
salvation. Human pursuits of this world such as drinking will distract
Man from having the faith required for redemption. The Steps of A.A.
follow the Fallen Man Belief and God's Plan of Salvation. Slogans such
as `pain is the touchstone of spiritual growth", "God is doing for us
what we cannot do for ourselves" also highlight that we live in a
fallen world doctrine.

However A.A. added to this, modern notions of progress and improvement.
People can follow a successful path of intellectual and moral
improvement. Reading the Big Book will encourage both. A.A. define
intellectual improvement through people's increased knowledge of the
Program. Slogans such as "God could and would if he were sought" and
"spiritual and emotional growth does not depend so much upon success as
it does upon failures and setbacks."

Great Chain of Being, which is at odds with working out God's Plan for
Salvation stresses that the greatest good is knowing one's place and
staying there. There is a static divinely ordained cosmos. God's plan
for the universe relies on everything knowing its place in the Great
Chain from earthworm to man and the angels. Things go awry when someone
does not know their place in the Great Chain. Balance must be restored
for the universe to be whole. Slogans abound exhorting this idea: GOD:
Good Orderly Direction, "You are exactly where God wants you to be",
and "There are no coincidences in A.A."

So the elements of these slogans are: (1) you are distracted from your
great purpose in life by drinking, (2) you must learn your place since
it is the greatest good. God has made it so. (3) you can only do this
through moral improvement by using the steps and reading the materials,
and (4) your great purpose in life is to stay put since that is where
God ordained you to be. In short, you improve yourself so that you may
find your place in the universe and stay there.

A.A.'s Function in the Universe

Ticket to Hell and Back

A.A. claims not to be a religion but introduces the concepts of Heaven,
Hell, and reprieving people from Hell. Hell and heaven are not
universal concepts of the world's religions. Japanese Buddhists believe
that when they about to die, if they call on the mercy of Buddha that
they will go to a merciful place. Christianity has the fullest sense of
the meaning of heaven and hell in the A.A. sense. However, Catholics
have a middle place for souls to reside -- Purgatory. What A.A. is
assuming Protestant Christian doctrine in what they say. So what A.A.
is promoting are the Protestant concepts of Heaven and Hell. These
Slogans assume that A.A. has the power to reprieve sinners in Hell.
That is another aspect of Christian religion. However, it is not God
that reprieves sinners but A.A.. How does A.A. do that? They must have
some sort of religious doctrine that states how. Spirituality does not
release people from hell. A religious entity does that. The last slogan
implies what the false split and implies that religion has empty
rituals.

A.A. won't keep you from going to hell nor is it a ticket to heaven but
it will keep you sober enough for you to make up your mind which way
you want to go.

A.A. never opened the gates of heaven to let me in, A.A. did open the
gates of hell to let me out

A.A. isn't a religion, we can't open the gates of heaven and let you
in, but we can open the gates of hell and let you out.

AA won't open the gates of Heaven to let you in, but it will open the
gates of hell to let you out.

Religion is for those who fear god, spirituality is for those who have
been to hell and back.

Believe or Die

If you are not in A.A., you are dead. Or if A.A. does not exist, you
are dead. Therefore, fear A.A. If you add these with the first, then
you get a picture of a group of people who assume that there is a hell
and they were condemned to it. That is a pretty bleak picture and
assumption. All people who enter A.A. are evil people deserving of hell
without A.A.'s help. Again we have an organization that condemns people
to save them. People are expected to convert to a set of religious
beliefs to stop drinking. What is this spiritual problem? How does a
belief in God stop people from drinking too much? What do religious
people do if they have a drinking problem?

It's A.A. or Amen.

Drunk Atheists Tell No Tales

Meaning that everyone is expected is to convert to believers. Also note
how A.A. takes the problem of drinking too much and places it in an
extreme context. Foxholes are for war. So is A.A. at war with drinking?
Is this a spiritual war that is meant to be fought through converting
people who want to stop drinking?

There is no chemical solution to a spiritual problem

If you do not come to believe a power greater than yourself, which is
God, you will inevitably pick up a drink.

There are no atheists in foxholes

No Ordinary People Need Apply

Much has been written about how alcoholics are God's chosen people.
This contradicts "There is a God and you are not it." These tell people
that the Godhead resides inside them. Through God and the Program, the
members can become gods also. One definition of a cult is when a
religious promises Godhood or chosen for its members. A.A. separates
people into true alcoholics, heavy drinkers, and earth people or
normies. A.A. members will say the Program did not work for a
particular individual since they were not a "true alcoholic". An
"untrue" alcoholic is someone who meets the requirement of A.A. but can
stop drinking on their own or through their own efforts.

We are the chosen, we received God's grace and Gift of Recovery

We are not human beings having spiritual experiences; we are spiritual
beings having human experiences.

We are not different from others, God just made us special.

What Does Drinking Have To Do With It?

People are told that A.A. works for everyone except for the people who
think they are God. How many people who are outside mental institutions
who think they are God? Why does A.A. stress that? What sort of people
do A.A. think comprise the membership?

A.A. works for people who believe in God

A.A. works for people who don't believe in God

A.A. NEVER works for people who believe they ARE God

People are told that a belief in God is essential to not drinking. A.A.
assumes that people have no relationship with God and tells them how to
get one. Go to an A.A. meeting and borrow someone else's God. This begs
the question: how does a belief in God stop someone from drinking.
Again what do religious people do if they drink too much? Why would
they need A.A.? What does A.A. have that their religion does not? What
does an atheist do to stop drinking?

What is subtle about these is that they equate God with A.A. Somehow a
person cannot find God anywhere else except in A.A. God only works in
A.A. meetings and not anywhere else. How is going to an A.A. meeting
differs from attending a Catholic Mass? During Mass, a person sees the
miracle of the wine and bread being transformed into Christ's Blood and
Body. A believer is part of a community of fellow believers. So why
would a Catholic with a drinking problem go to an A.A. meeting?

If you have God in one hand and the fellowship in the other hand, you
can't get drunk today.

If you have a problem believing in God, go to an AA meeting and you'll
see miracle, miracle,

AA leads us to God and God leads us to ourselves.

God is upstairs in church on Sunday morning, but at night he's
downstairs in the AA meeting.

If you are looking for God, you'll never see God more at work than at
an AA meeting.

Why would any religious believer go to an A.A. meeting? Why would an
atheist go to an A.A. meeting? Who are the people that A.A. assumes
goes to meetings? A.A. assumes that people who drink too much are
looking for a spiritual experience and for a belief system. Therefore,
they replace their drinking with a belief in God.

I came, I came to, I came to believe
If you don't have a higher power, borrow mine

If you don't believe, then make believe

=== BELIEF IN THE GOD OF A.A. ===

What is this God that A.A. wants people to believe in? How is this God
different from other Gods? If A.A. is supposed to be spiritual and not
religious, then how does the "God" it wants people to believe in can be
the same "God" in all faiths? Can a Hindu, Christian, and Pagan believe
in the same God? Can they co-exit at an A.A. meeting?

Rely on A.A. God for All Your Needs

A.A. is full of acronyms to help people to think. GUT is the one to
tell a member what they feel in their gut is God's undeniable truths.
Then the PROGRAM acronym lays out what A.A. is. Undeniable truths is a
religious term. Science would refer to them as facts. What are these
undeniable truths that A.A promotes? Reliance and God in all things.
That God exists. The third truth is that people surrender to God and
`walk in faith'. Another one of those A.A. dyads to have will be evil,
and belief good. It takes an active of will to believe in God. God gave
people free will to choose. This takes away that choice

GUT = God's undeniable truths

PROGRAM = people relying on God relaying a message

At first we thought the `God think' was a crutch, turns out to be
stilts.

Do you believe in the existence of God, or in the existence of God in
your life?

I survived out there, so I knew there must have been a Higher Power
looking out for me. That's how I know there is a God.

And that journey is what? Why should we surrender to a higher power,
unless we are converting to a religion. Surrender is used in Christian
religion for surrendering to the will of God. I don't think that
surrendering to God is an universal religious idea. I think it is more
specific to Christianity.

Willpower=our will-ness to use a higher power

When we surrender to our higher power, the journey begins

Willing = when I live life, I need God

Trust in God to help you trust yourself.

"Start where you are

Walk out in faith

Do the Best you can do

Expect God to help."

However how do you `live life on life's terms' if you are relying on
God? The two contradict each other. Living life on life's term means
something other than strictly listening to God. It means muddling
through.

Live life on life's terms

Miracles and More Miracles

These slogans discuss miracles. A.A. believes in miracles. Religion
again presents itself in A.A. Miracles are a product of religious
belief. There is no difference between magic and miracles. Both are
produced by supernatural means. Magic in the A.A. sense is the man-made
magic as opposed to the God-ordained magic. Expecting miracles mean
that you are inert as the miracle happens is a contradiction in terms.
Miracles happen. They just occur. Giving up means that someone has put
forth effort to heave the miracle happen. How can a miracle happen
through man-made efforts? Miracles are from God. A person cannot force
them.

You are becoming

What will be will appear

Expect miracles

You will be amazed

Possibilities and miracles are one in the same

There is no magic in recovery only miracles

I am a walking miracle

Don't give up before the miracle happens

"The central fact of our lives today is the absolute certainty that our
Creator has entered into our hearts and lives in a way which is indeed
miraculous. He has commenced to accomplish those things for us which we
could never do by ourselves."

This quote attributed to Dr. Robert Smith one of the founders of A.A.
is false. If a person wants God in their life, they ask Him to come
inside. God does not sneak in the dead of night. How is there absolute
certainly that God enter a person's heart. Why absolute and not just
certainty. How does God live in a way which is miraculous? Is not
producing miracles one of the things that God is supposed to do? The
God assumed is the Christian God and not a designated God of evil. What
does this God do for us that we could never do by ourselves? If a
person is an amputee, does this God grow a leg for them? Does this God
instruct the person how to live with one leg? What if the person's
child died? What does God do then? This is a blanket feel good
statement that has no relevance to everyday living.

=== MOVE OVER GOD IS IN CHARGE ===

"Let Go and Let God" and "Turn It Over" are old chestnuts of A.A. The
others follow in the same sense. These slogans teach that a person is
not in partnership with God. If a religious person is to have a mature
relationship with their God, they work with God. The relationship with
God that A.A. promotes is one of parent and child. In the A.A universe,
there is no wrestling with God, no questioning God, and no dark night
of the soul in searching for God's call. If a person does argue with
God as in the manner of Job of the Old Testament, A.A. tells them to
stop or they will drink again since their self-will is running riot.

The subtle import of these slogans is that everyone plays God or fights
God. Few people are assumed to have a satisfactory relationship with
God. These slogans are also put downs of people trying to solve
problems. God helps those who help themselves is often said in
Christian circles. These slogans of A.A. encourage passivity.

The other subtle aspect of these slogans is that A.A. assumes that
atheists will turn to God for help. A.A. tells the atheist that his way
of doing things is wrong. A.A. assumes also that if you want to be
humble, they have to believe in a god. These slogans are a slap at
atheists since A.A. assumes that people who do not believe in God are
playing God.

Also the concept of God is a strange one. God is the Judea-Christian
name. A Moslem would use Allah and would not discuss God in those
terms. Orthodox Christians believe that these slogans profane God. The
sense of God in these slogans is Protestant.

Letting Go needs to be defined. In what case is `letting go and letting
God" is a good idea and when is it not? If you have a lot of useless
clutter in your house, letting go is a good idea Send the good items to
charity and let the items bless someone else. However, if a person
wants to abolish slavery or end human rights abuses, these endeavors
take human efforts and bull doggedness. Fighting a war means full
participation and effort.

What is A.A.'s ideas of letting go? A person let goes of their problems
and have God take care of them. If person takes care of their own
affairs, then they are `dragged' or `turned upside down'. In short, God
will ensure that they will go and get drunk. Instead the nanny God of
A.A. needs to micromanage the member's lives to prevent drinking.

let go and let God

let go or get dragged

turn it over

if you turn it over and don't let go of it, you will be turned upside
down.

if God is your co-pilot, switch seats get out of the driver's seat, let
go and let God

If you are spinning your wheels, try getting out of the driver's seat.

It's not in our time, but in God's time!

Relax - God is in charge

First things first - Listen to God.

Waking Up is Hard to Do

These slogans assume that a person's brain is in a fog before entering
the A.A. program. That when a person comes out of their fog, they
convert. The logical progression that A.A. adheres to is that brain
does not work, thinking is bad; once brain works, believing is good.
However, the general progression is that once the person stops
drinking, their brain heals itself. Once, the true self is revealed,
then several things may happen. The person has a mental illness, which
causes them to drink in the first place. Therefore, the illness needs
to be treated. Or the person comes to the conclusion that stopping
drinking simply involves not drinking. Still others do become
religious, grateful that their God relieved them of the sin.

The A.A. sense of insanity is not the same sense of mental illness. The
insanity is the pursuit of drinking. This is not classified as a mental
illness by the DSM IV. A.A. tells people that it has the way to stop
drinking. Go to A.A. meetings and find out. At the meetings, a person
is told that they cannot handle drinking. In order to stop, the person
believes in a peculiar God who takes over. This leaves the person an
inert object to be acted upon.

I came; I came to; I came to believe

Coming to believe restores us to sanity.

I can't....He can...I think I'll let Him

I can't handle it God; You take over

Footsteps of the Giant ID

Why does A.A. equate having an ego with being godless? Why does A.A.
assumes that people have godlike delusions? The other thing that is
confusing is that A.A. tells people that they are chosen and are
spiritual beings having human experiences. How can a person be God and
not be God? A.A. sends confusing messages to its members.

What is interesting is how A.A. mixes popular psychology with religion.
How does ego factor into a spiritual program? People need egos to exist
and to conduct themselves. People need all aspects of themselves to
function. How does God become anti-self and how does ego becomes
equated with God? This is very strange that the self must always be at
war with God. Usually the self merges with God in most religions. A
person empties themself to receive the Godhead.

A.A. presents the question in stark terms. What you want versus what
God wants. These ideas are more inherent in Christianity, although it
has echoes in other religions. However A.A. takes the question to the
extreme of making it a sin. It is wrong to feel or desire something
other than what God wants. Evil is A.A. is defined as wanting something
else. However, evil in the general sense is when a person is forced to
revoke their free will and obey completely. Religious discussion of
Satan talk about the lack of free will and being forced to follow
Satan's commands. How is the God of A.A. any different than the
Christian Satan?

However the concept of God presented with the throne is an autocratic
one: a God who commands us all to do his bidding. What is the curse of
not following this God? A person will be condemned to drink again.

EGO= edge God out

ego: get out of the driver's seat.

Ego is our separation from God and others.

we had to quit playing God

there is a God and I am not it

Get off the throne and give it back to God.

My needs and wants are inherently illegitimate. Only what God wants is
legitimate.

I know that whatever is my will must be wrong.

I know I shouldn't, that it's not spiritual, but sometimes I `take my
will back'.

These slogans are in direct contraction to the ones of expecting
miracles and seeking God and more will be revealed. A.A. has very
conflicting ideas about God. First God chooses the person. Second, God
makes the person over. Third the person can fend off God with his ego.
Fourth, God is powerful to restore people to sanity. Fifth, God can't
stop people from leaving. This is one crazy God. A.A. cannot seem to
grasp what their God is.

if God seems far away, who moved?

you don't need to find 'find God', He isn't lost.

=== WHO IS THE GOD OF A.A.? ===

A.A. has combined Christian ideas of God with New Age concepts. The
result is an unsatisfying mix of a micromanaging, all-powerful God, who
is helpless against self-will. A.A. tells people to start with a
doorknob for a higher power, then progress to the group, then to `God".

A.A. defines God in terms of presence and direction. God is there
directing you to something. The slogans do not say what the direction
is towards. Combined with the steps, a person can assume that result is
sobriety, as defined by A.A. Group of drunks is the clue. But being
sober is different from being ethical or moral. If God removes a
person's shortcomings, then why does God need to direct a person?
A.A.'s assumption is that the person is a side-tracked distracted human
who needs someone supernatural to help them.

GOD = group of drunks

GOD = good orderly direction

Our higher power is our new employer. The pay isn't great but the
fringe benefits are unbelievable.

GIFT = God is forever there

HELP = His every loving presence

HP= Holy Presence

When you lay down, lay on your back and look up, for God is there all
the time.

Again A.A. confuses the issue about God. First they tell people they
are not God, then God lives in their heart, and what odd things is God.
A.A. Has a peculiar notion that people think they are God. They also
have a peculiar predilection for word play. For some reason, they must
rhyme to insure memory by people. But is this a God that a person can
believe in and turn their lives over to?

The only thing you need to know about God, you are not Him.

Listen to your heart, God lives there.

Is it odd or is it God?

These slogans try to convince people of the dependability of the Higher
Power. Also to convince people that the Higher Power on their side. The
assumption is that the person had no religious beliefs. Somehow the
Higher Power sounds like the Christian God. A.A. borrowed standard
slogans and made them more palatable. However in the A.A. universe, God
is the Higher Power. There are many names of God. A.A. uses as many as
they can get away with. What is interesting is that God cannot do these
things without the person's consent.

Higher Power, Thy Will, Nothing More, Nothing Less, Nothing Else.

HP: If our Higher Power is for us, who can be against us?

God could and would if he were sought

God won't fail you (people will).

Higher Power is not against me because of my addiction. Higher Power is
for me and against my addiction.

How does a person reconcile these slogans with the ones about easing
God out or Good orderly direction or thy will and nothing else. These
particular slogans tell people that God loves people no matter what
they do - even drinking. How does that square with `a slip begins with
not bending the knees'. If this is a benign, loving God, then why does
God curse people with drinking?

The other subtle aspect of these slogans is how people relate to God.
People are inert but are acted upon. There is no interaction between
the two. The one about `loving you, and there is nothing you can do
about it' is offensive. No one has a choice. Why? Love is a choice.

God has no grand kids

please be patient - God isn't finished with me yet.

I love you, God loves you, and there's nothing you can do about it

God doesn't need much; whatever you have left is enough.

There is nothing we can do to make God to love us more than God already
does. There nothing we can do wrong that will make God love us any
less.

=== WIMPY GOD, SILLY MAN, BIZARRE A.A. UNIVERSE ===

A.A. has one track that says that a person must decide to turn their
life and will over to a god. If that person gets drunk, that means they
snatched their will back from him. Then there is this other track of
'you are special because god made you a drunk', and `god does things
for you without you knowing anything about it'. This is a god that
sneaks around getting the A.A. member from point a to point b. The
upshot is this silly god that demands that people give their wills and
lives over to him or he will make their lives a living hell. And even
when they resist or object such as being sentenced to A.A. meetings by
a judge, this god is really the one working behind the scenes for A.A.

The A.A. God is a god of convenience. He is whatever A.A. Bill Wilson,
Big Book thumpers, Old-timers, and groups want him to be. He can be a
nanny god who takes care of you, a benign god who grants grace or an
absent powerless god. Choose whichever one is desirable at the time.
A.A.'s approach to god is that the god is inflatable. A person pops him
into a closet when they do not need them, and inflate him when they do.

So the A.A. god is like the atomic opossum that lives in my nearby
dumpster. If you go near the dumpster, the opossum hisses at you and
bears his teeth. But he likes the garbage that you throw in the
dumpster. You have to use the dumpster to get rid of your trash. So you
have to deal with this possum. We tried calling animal control, they
keep removing the animal, which pops back to rule the dumpster.

Don't Feed the Troll Under the Bridge

These two hint at the inability of the God of A.A. to do anything.
First A.A. says that God will restore people to sanity. Then they
confuse people with God cannot do anything without the person's
permission. The Judeo-Christian God has done a lot of things without
anyone's permission: flooded the earth, killed off entire peoples,
healed the lame, and had a son. In contrast, A.A. has a wimpy version
of a god.

When man listens, God speaks; when man obeys, God works

Man's extremity is God's opportunity

If you don't think this will help you, TRY IT. If you don't think God
will help you, ASK HIM.

There is a contradiction of terms here. First God will help you through
your difficulties. Then God pushes you to your difficulties. This God
makes life difficult for his people. Is that so they will call upon
Him? What kind of god is that? Actually Satan works that way by forcing
people to believe in him. Evil is defined by the lack of choice.

Various versions of these slogans have been said by ministers, who are
generally comforting people through grief. The persons are usually
believers with a relationship with their God. Their relations are
different from the A.A. member's relationship. In A.A. these slogans
are not only directed toward people who are grieving, but also to happy
people, angry people, people given traffic tickets, and people who
spend too much money to name a few.

Remember nothing is going to happen today that you and God can't handle

The will of God will never take you where the grace of God will not
protect you

God will never give you more than you can handle

You might not get what you want, but God always gives you what you
need.

If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it.

God is doing for us what we cannot do for ourselves.

The results are in God's hands

These slogans contradict each other and other slogans about God. If
this Higher Power forgives the person, then what is the business about
spiritual condition? Also, if A.A. is spiritual but not religious then
who is doing the forgiving and the giving of grace? Religious entities
do that. They have dogma and doctrine about such matters. How does A>A.
discuss these matters and still be spiritual and not religious?

TGIF = Thank God I'm Forgiven

I thank my HP for my sobriety.

My daily sobriety is contingent on my spiritual condition

But for the grace of God

Roman Catholics are taught to Love, Honor, and Obey God. AA says
nothing about loving God nor honoring Him. There is nothing in A.A.
that discusses man loving God. In A.A., it is always one way: God to
man. Man has no part in the relationship. There is no action on man's
part in regards to honoring God, either. How do AA members demonstrate
their love of god and how to do they honor god? They become the vessel
for their god's actions.

The Devil Made Me Do It

These slogans reflect the belief in the Great Chain of Being. A person
must allow themselves to be placed by God so that the universe may be
good. The A.A. member does not plan for the future but waits for God to
do for them. A person must lay down and take whatever is dished out to
them. So what happens with a person who has an urge to kill. They
cannot stop it? And what if they are the victim, are they where God
wants them to be?

You are exactly where God wants you to be

If it is meant to be, I can't stop it

I don't know what god's will is for me, but I always know what it is
not

I don't know how I got here, it certainly wasn't my will, so it must
have been God's will.

We must always accept things the way they are.

I am not what I should be, I'm not what I want to be, I'm not what I
will be, BUT THANK GOD, I am not what I used to be!!

Are there coincidences outside of A.A.? This is superstition writ
large. You are expected to live in a universe where if you do not pay
the troll under the bridge, you will be eaten. You have to knock on
wood, pick up pennies, and watch out for black or white cats. These
ones are actually promoting faith healing and magic. The A.A. god is a
god of small things.

There are no coincidences in A.A.

In A.A. we say a "coincidence" is a miracle in which God chooses to
remain anonymous

Coincidences are God's way of being anonymous

God speaks through other people

Everything in God's time.

Everything that is happening is God's plan for you today.

Everything happens for a reason

God is never late.

Bonsai, Any One?

How do these slogans square with each other? If you read the lives of
the saints, you will find some of them did not experience pain in their
lives. They were simply holy people. Then there were other saints who
inflected pain on themselves. Does that make them more holy?

Pain is the touchstone of spiritual growth

Spiritual and emotional growth does not depend so much upon success as
it does upon failures and setbacks.

God only prunes those that have potential to grow.
One explanation that goes with this little gem is "The tree that grows
the straightest and strongest, is the one which is pruned and
trimmed. ... Your greatest problems are God's way of making you
stronger. He is pruning you because he knows that you will become a
better, more fully developed human being and most important, he knows
that you can survive the pruning." (Co-anon material).
It is quite apparent that who ever came up with this one doesn't
understand forests and forestry. The tree that grows the straightest
and tallest in the forest is the one with the most sunlight and space
and diversity. I.E. a pine will be outclassed by an oak since oaks
can grow in the shade when seedlings. Pines need sunlight all time in
order to survive. Go into an old growth forest and you find tall
trees. Lodge Pole trees. They existed before gardens.

As for pruning, yes it does help a bush or a tree. But Bonsai is the
art of pruning a tree to keep it a
small size. I have a friend who grows tiny forests from maples, oaks,
pines, etc. He does it by keeping the trees in a bonsai pot and
constant pruning. If he takes the tiny trees out and plant them in
his yard, they grow normally. He grows his trees from seedlings found
in his yard. In short constant pruning will keep you small. Very
small.
As for surviving pruning, if you think that God prunes trees, then why
do so many of them get struck by lightening, uprooted in a wind storm,
or get eaten by bugs. Is this god ridding the forest of dead wood? If
so, then why the idea that god knows that when he prunes, you will
survive?
Then there is the garden metaphor. Gardens are small, enclosed
places, tamed places where nothing grows (well almost nothing) that a
person has not placed there. They are managed places. I guess
12-step people would just freak out if they were in a forest or a
prairie that extends for miles. What would they do in the wildness of
a forest or a mountain?

=== FAITH IN WHAT? ===

A.A. asks its members to have faith. However, there is little on what
people should have faith in. How does having faith stop people from
drinking? A religious person would rely on their religious beliefs to
help them. But why does A.A. include faith in its program for members.
Again the basic question of why would a religious person want to join
AA raises its head. It seems that A.A. is for those people who want a
spiritual experience without having to bother with formal religious
requirements.

These slogans are directly from Christian doctrine about faith.
However, depending on what sect you are, these statements may run
counter to your dogma. Lutherans believe in 'Justification by Faith
Alone'. `Faith with works' is a Roman Catholic concept that several
Protestant sects have rejected.

Look deeper at these slogans and realize that the Catholic teaching
about faith and works does not apply. In conducting their religious
duties, Roman Catholics visit the dying, comfort to the sick and the
imprisoned, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and house the homeless.
These acts build a community and help those less fortunate. Through
these acts, God's Mercy is shown.

Meanwhile A.A. defines their ideas of action as doing the Fourth Step,
Ninth Step, and the Twelfth Step. Members carry the message to the
`still suffering alcoholic'. This means going to the person and taking
them to meetings, sponsoring them, providing them with a Big Book, and
generally encouraging the person to study the Steps. These actions
build up the A.A. community while separating the person from the
greater community. Once in A.A., members are encouraged to remain
separate from non-A.A. members since their sobriety will be in danger.
There is no outside community building except for taking problem people
from the community. The A.A. efforts are geared toward specific people
and excludes many others.

.........faith without works is dead

If faith without works is dead; then willingness without action is
fantasy

faith is spelled a-c-t-i-o-n.

These slogans deny people the notion that faith is inside of them. In
order to believe, the person first has to believe in themselves. In
order to have faith, the whole person has to be engaged.

However, faith is not a disease that passes from one person to another.
Faith is taught. In order to believe, a person needs a concept of what
to believe in. However in the study of memes, faith is a virus that
moves from person to person. This is how A.A. operated in their
activity to achieve a community of believers.

Watch Out for the Faith Cooties

Faith can't be taught, it can only be caught.

If I have faith in God, it does not make much difference if I have
faith in myself.

When you act in faith, then you actually have it.

These slogans subtly contradict each other. They separate faith from
trust and then say faith is trust. What is faith? How is it defined? Is
this split the same as `spiritual' not `religious'? A.A. does a lot of
parsing to make its points. However, it does beg the question of `Is
this higher power trustworthy'?

FAITH: Find Answers In The Higher Power.

FAITH: For All Is Through Him.

FAITH: Fantastic Adventure In Trusting Him

A.A. defines courage as an outcome of faith. People have courage
because they have faith. This presupposes that non-believers are
cowards while all believers are courageous. This is a ridiculous
supposition to have. People choose to be courageous not because they
are God-believers. These also assume that fear is an outcome of
non-belief. If you do not have a God, you live in fear. However the
expression "God fearing" seems to escape A.A. purview.

Use a Flashlight Instead

Faith is a lighted doorway, but trust is a dark hall

Faith is hope in things unseen.

Live each day with a little less fear and a little more faith.

Courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to overcome it

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.

Faith conquers fear.
So does a flashlight to flash in all the dark corners. Reason also
chases away fear. It makes for a great flashlight or torch.

Responsibility to Do What?

The definition of spirituality is a strange one. Usually spirituality
means how people commune with God. Is God supposed to keep our minds
off ourselves? These slogans do not address that at all. But does hint
as how selfish everyone is.

I coupled these together since they address selfishness verses
unselfishness. In according to these slogans, "we are selfish people
who think only of ourselves". Sharing faith is a subtle method of
conversion. It depends on how it is done. What happens in meetings is
witnessing to the power of the god of the 12 Steps. One slogan is
"Share or Die!" means little unless place I the context of conversion.
When people share their experience, strength, and hope in meetings,
they are really testifying. It makes the causal listener want the same.
Thus the process of conversion begins. 12-Step groups are in the
business of converting people to their way of believing and thinking.

Spirituality is the ability to get our minds off ourselves

Faith is our greatest gift; sharing with others our greatest
responsibility

Trust God, clean house, help others

Practice an attitude of gratitude

Replace guilt with gratitude

These are some of those A.A. thought stoppers. Because you may be upset
about the potholes on Main Street, you should not complain since it
would affect your serenity. Also all alcoholics are guilty of
something. This hints at A.A.'s mission of supposedly rehabilitating
alcoholics. They do this by removing the guilt. Instead of replacing
guilt with gratitude, guilt should be replaced with responsibility.
However, the other part of this is to browbeat the person into
believing that drinking to excess is evil. Guilt is a useless emotion
but a useful one for coercing people. Shaming them is something that
A.A. does all to well. Both slogans attempt to shame people from
thinking responsible.

=== HIT YOUR KNEES WITH SPOONS: PRAYER IN A.A. ===

In 12-Steps groups, prayer is urged on the members. They are exhorted
to "hit their knees" or are warned that if they do not pray they will
drink again. A.A. sends conflicting messages on prayer. They say just
pray until something happens. Then they say, ask for what God wants for
you. Then, they back off and just tell people to pray. However praying
is coupled with being sober. How doe prayer stop people from drinking
too much? In a religious context, it means a great deal. In a secular
context, it makes no sense. However, the 12-Step program is a religious
and prayer is a part of their practices.

PUSH and God has answers directly contradicts each other. If a person
prays until something happens, then they are insisting on God's action.
So what is a person to do about this contradiction? The next set of
slogans tells what it is you prayer for. People in A.A. cannot pray for
just anything. They must be told what to pray for.

ASAP: Always Say A Prayer

PUSH: Pray Until Something Happens

God has three answers to everything: yes, no, and if you insist.

Confusion Reigns Supreme

These slogans are to tell people what exactly to pray for. A.A. is
still confused on that subject. They equate God's will to be
self-improvement. God's will is narrowly contained in changing
negatives to positives in a person. However, God being God can command
people to commence wars, right wrongs, spread the gospel, procreate,
and love each other and a multitude of other things. God of the
Christian Bible changes water into wine and levels cities. How did
God's will disintegrate into such a small thing as self-change?

This is part of A.A.'s dogma that drunks are selfish worms who must
understand that they are evil. People who drink too much are full of
fatal flaws. They must pray to God to have these flaws removed.
However, the slogans do a strange change - most people would pray to
stop drinking, how is that not God's will. Determinism rears its ugly
head. It is wrong to pray to removal of the urge to drink since it may
interfere with God's plan for the person. Then there is the ringer of
`be careful of what you pray for.' If a person is praying to be
relieved of drinking temptations, and do get it, then how is that bad?
Why pray if God has already decided what is good for you. A.A. urges
people to pray, then tell them they do not do it right.

Be careful what you pray for; you are liable to get it

Don't wish for what you want, but what God's wants for you

I pray only for the knowledge of God's will for me.

I don't pray for what I want, but only for the knowledge of God's will
for me.

Every morning I get up and pray to God to reset my negative to
positive.

Prayer is not a device for getting my own way, but rather a means to
become what I should be.

We don't pray to change things; we pray to change us.

Forget to Kneel, and be Doomed

A.A. associates kneeling with humility. They also equate the two with
sobriety. How does kneeling in prayer to stay a person from drinking?
Cannot standing in prayer suffice? Why dictate to people that what they
pray for and how they pray is insufficient? A.A. is a religion with
specific doctrines. It is not for people to simply stop drinking but
also to practice specific forms of religious devotions. It is not
enough to try to pray.

Bend your knees before you bend your elbow backsliding begins when
knee-bending stops

Hit your knees

It is hard to stumble when you are down on your knees.

The healing is in the kneeling.

The answers to all my problems are as far away as my knees are from the
floor.

Trying to pray is praying.

Kneeling is the Roman Catholic way of praying. Other religions do not
bend knees to pray. Some bow, others stand, while others sit and remain
quiet. Since praying on one's knees is always presented as do this or
get drunk, then this is A.A.'s dictates on their religious practice.
Other forms are praying are not tolerated.

=== PAIR OF DUCKS QUACKING ===

This is the AA dogma distilled into these little paradox slogans that
people kick around the program. Now taken as a whole, they do not
make a lick of sense. The subtext though is the A.A.'s ideas of the
teachings of Christ. However, Christ did not teach all this but
enough to be perverted by AA. Christ's Teachings have to be placed in
the context of Christianity that is different from the A.A. program.
These in the context of A.A. program perverts the essence of what
Christ taught.

A.A. Paradox:

Forgive to be forgiven
Give it way to keep it
Suffer to get well
Surrender to win
Die to live
Darkness comes light
Weakness comes strength
Dependence to independence
Forgive to be forgiven:
Christ said to Peter, "as you are forgive, so you must forgive". But
then He also went on to say that whatever Peter decided was forgivable,
was forgiven. The whole thing is present as a moral choice.
For AA, it is not a moral choice but a requirement. Heavy emphasis is
placed on forgiving people. However, A.A. does not differ between
stages of forgiveness or whether to forgive. The concept of moral u
forgiveness is absent in A.A.
Give it away to keep it
In Christianity, this is called tithing, or giving ten percent of your
income to the Church. As you give to God, you will receive. The
concept is directed at the ethics of giving and hoarding. In the A.A.
program, the sense is the Program. This is the subtle message to tell
people to do missionary work i.e. 12-Step calls. What is implied in
this and the others is that if a person fails to do any of these
things, they are doomed to drink.

Suffer to get well

The Catholic teaching, as Pope John Paul II has written, is that
chronic illness helps people become close to Christ on the Cross and to
grasp the understanding of His Sacrifice. However, there is no
Catholic teaching that suffering leads to health.

In the A.A. sense, they separate people into the sober alcoholic and
the still suffering alcoholic. People who drink too much are prompted
through the A.A. prism to think of themselves as suffering. They are
prompted to go to A.A. to receive the program. AA is trying to convince
people that when they drank they suffered mightly and that their
suffering was the way they got better. i.e. grew spiritually in the
program. Suffering in A.A. is encouraged for spiritual growth.Â
Suffering in Christianity is not encouraged to the same degree, that is
people can grow spiritually without a lot deal of suffering.

Surrender to win

Christ taught that in order to receive God's Grace, a person had to
surrender themselves to God. God's Grace has nothing to do with
winning. Receiving God's Grace means forgiveness of sins. If sins are
forgiven, then the person who drinks too much does not need to go to
any 12-Step program. Wining has nothing to do with forgiveness. In
contrast, AA teaches that you have to surrender to the program to
become sober.Â
Die to live
This is a perversion of Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross for Roman
Catholics. However, among evangelical Christians, the old self dies
and is reborn anew in Christ. i.e. "Born Again". The person is
cleansed of all sins. In A.A., you are not washed clean of
anything. You just die drunk or live sober in A.A. The A.A. teaching
is that people have to reach bottom in order to live sober. That is the
A.A. sense of dying.
Darkness comes light

Out of the darkness of the world came the Light of Christ. However in
A.A., again the sense is from drunkeness comes sobriety. However, the
intermediary step is joining the 12-Step Program. A subtext meaning
comes from Bill Wilson's despair comes the light of the spiritual
awakening. Wilson is not Christ nor does he represent to second Coming
of Christ. However, in "Not God" by Ernest Kuntz, Father Donally is
accredited with hinting that Wilson and the 12-Steps was the closest
thing to Christ and His Teachings.

Weakness comes strength

Christ did not teach weakness, he taught meekness. He talked about
choosing to act and conduct yourself in a moral way. That is where the
strength comes from the moral actions a person does. A.A.'s sense is
that of the weak drunk comes into the strong 12-Steps and becomes
Strong through them. There is no sense of moral strength to begin with.
A.A. does assumes that everyone is morally weak and can be strong only
through the Steps.
Dependence to independence
How does this happen? The problem with these slogans is that they do
not say how the miracle happens. Only that it does. Christianity does
not address this instead talks of `leaning on the everlasting arms of
Christ'.
I personally think that these slogans are meant to sound profound but
are really silly pretentious stuff to puff up the 'profundities' of the
program which is really rather banal. By coupling everything in
opposites, A.A. can be more profound and deep. A.A. tries to echo
Christian teachings without addressing them.

=== PROMISES, S'MOMISES ===

A.A. has a slogan saying that `we were never promised anything'. Then
the member reads the 12X12 and discovers that Bill Wilson writes about
various promises that the Program brings. Upon further review and
reflection, the Promises are vague and only point out what regular
people should be doing anyway.

"If we are painstaking (which means showing care) about THIS phase (the
amends phase) of our
development, we will be AMAZED before we are half way through."

What is half way? The Promises comes after Step 9 in the 12X12, how is
that halfway? What does A.A. mean by half way? Halfway through what?
According to A.A., no one ever graduates from the Program. A person
gets a daily reprieve.

Why does this promise exist? What does it address? What is that people
are to be amazed about? Are people bored with making amends? Is this a
spur to get people to make amends?

"We are going to know a NEW freedom and a NEW happiness."
What is this new freedom and new happiness? What is the definition of
this freedom and happiness? If it is new, then why wasn't the old
freedom and happiness enough? What happened to the old freedom and
happiness? Why have this promise? People were bored with the old
freedom and happiness?
"We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it."

Is this Bill Wilson telling himself that everything is o.k? I wonder
about this. Actually this is something that people do work for --
living with all of their life. Most people do not live such awful lives
to regret their pasts. Why does Wilson include this promise? Was his
past so horrible that he wanted to erase it from his life?
"We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace."
I guess our brains were not working very well. This is a slap at people
who think. We can't
comprehend serenity. Anyway, this is the goal of A.A. and other
groups: serenity. What is interesting about this is that serenity is
the goal of Moonies and other cults. I guess A.A. thinks of people as
squirrels squirreling about burying nuts and chasing each other around
trees.
"No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our
experience can benefit others."
Well is this a promise or a statement of fact? I fail to see how this
is a promise. However the assumption behind the promise is that
everyone is lower than low. People oozed from the original pond of
primordial sludge. Other people can profit from our lives living on the
street. We are the examples of what not to do.
"That feeling of uselessness and self-pity will disappear."
How does the feeling of uselessness disappear? What about self-pity?Â
Again these are the evil things of the program. The assumption is
that people must be doing good and be useful. They not allowed to
feel pain.
"We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our
fellows."

Well isn't that what everyone else is doing? Define interest in
fellows. What does that entail? But what does Wilson mean by
"interest in our fellows"? What does that translate into? That people
who drink too much are selfish twits who only look out for Number One?
That is a fallacy in logic. There are people who do good who drink too
much and there are people who are selfish who are tee-totalers.
Consider Dickens's character Scrooge from "A Christmas Carol". Scrooge
was as sober as a judge but was considered a mean man who cared only
for money.
"Self-seeking will slip away."
What is self-seeking? What does this phrase mean? If you are
seeking yourself, you are lost. You need to know yourself. Why does
Wilson assume that we are self-centered twits who need a whack on the
side of the head. Why is there such a concentration on giving up of the
self?
"Our WHOLE attitude and outlook upon life will change."
What does this mean? Our whole attitude? If I am an optimist, does that
mean I will become a pessimist by following the steps? What is the
assumption behind this promise? The assumption is that we have lousy
attitudes and will see the light once we are in A.A.
"Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us."
How is that supposed to happen? Why couple economic insecurity and
fear of people together? Actually taking a course in finances may help
the economic insecurity. Getting a job is what people do to rid
themselves of economic insecurity. Wilson's life was one of being
mostly on the dole. Perhaps he was taking about himself. One A.A.
slogan is "A job is something that happens on the way to a meeting."
Meaning that the meetings are more important than a job.
"We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle
us."
A person does not need a program to do that. People can put thought
into what they do. In much of Wilson's writings, intuition is stressed.
Somehow through assimilation, people will gain knowledge. If the
knowledge lies within themselves, then Wilson is urging that people
practice a form of Gnosticism.

I guess he thought that most people were screw ups who angered people
by breathing too loudly.

"We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do
for ourselves."
There you have it. This is what the program is all about. However,
if you are a believer, you do not need the Twelve Steps to know that.Â
It is interesting in the turn of the word 'suddenly'. Why that
word? Does that have to with the spiritual experience of Wilson? What
is God doing that we are not? Is everyone who drinks too much an
atheistic ingrate?
"Are these extravagant promises? We think not. They are being fulfilled
among us - sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. They will ALWAYS
materialize IF we work for them."
Then they are not really promises. A promise implies a gift. Working
for something means a reward. Then there is the A.A. slogan "We were no
promised anything." How do the two square with each other?

But how do you work for them - by doing the Steps. `Always' is a big
word. Actually, this really a stupid con to get people to do the
stupid steps. The word `materialize' is peculiar word. It connotes
magic. If a person works the Steps, they are learning magic? What is
implied by the statement: "They will always materialize"?

Why did Wilson write these promises? What prompted him? Was he writing
for himself or indulging in wistful thinking. Most of the promises are
vague and peculiar. They do not seem like promises or rewards. People
in A.A. quote The Promises and testify that they come true. However,
the reason that they come true is that is what ordinary people are
doing in their lives anyway. There is no rocket science involved in the
Promises coming true.

=== THE BOGUS PERSCRIPTION ===

Hello everybody, Here is one of the old chestnuts that are drummed into
our dear little heads. Often quoted from the Big Book is what people
call the prescription. This lays out A.A. basic doctrine of belief.
From the Big Book: "our personal adventures before and after make clear
three pertinent facts"

My personal adventures made clear many pertinent facts such as I love
my son and I live in a condo. So what? What are these personal
adventures that make clear these pertinent facts?
"(a) That we were alcoholic and could not manage our own lives."
What does one have to do with the other? How do you link the two? If
you drink too much, you stop drinking. Isn't that managing your life?
In pursuit of drinking, you are managing your life quite well....
obtaining the drink, finding a place to drink, finding the time to
drink, drinking..... You chose to spend your time drinking instead of
doing something else.

"(b) That probably no human power could have relieved our alcoholism."

Lots of people stop every day. A lot of people have friends who help
them. A lot of doctors help people. So this is the logical lynch-pin
for this little illogic. If you accept the first premise, therefore you
should be able to accept this transition. The one does not follow the
other. AA wants you to assume that it does, but it doesn't.
"(c) That God could and would if He were sought."
If you are a religious person, you would be seeking your God for this
problem. Various religions have ways of helping people through their
problems. This is o.k. However, if you don't believe in god, then this
doesn't mean anything. You use humans to help you. So it is a
no-brainer.
However, what this chain of A.A. logic does is set people up for
religious belief. It doesn't address the problem of not drinking but
assumes that the person is totally helpless. Then the only means to
ending the problem is belief in god.
This is o.k. but then you are zapped with the following : (From an
oldtimer:)
"Well, now, the reason and understanding that I was given that it
returns with such fury, is that the disease of alcoholism is
PROGRESSIVE, even if we are not drinking. It progresses all the time.
We are different in our metabolism from others. We do something with
the alcohols and sugars that others don't do. "
All of us have heard some variation of that. So a medical disease that
is based in our bodies is cured by belief in God? Not only that, but
this disease is different from all others: it is progressive. Even if
we go to meetings etc, we are still in the grips of this disease. So
where does that leave our prescription? The prescription is bogus. This
is quack science. What people fail to realize is that the science of
alcoholism that A.A. is based on does not exist. Readings in the
disease theory demonstrates that if alcoholism is a physical disease
then medical means are necessary.